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Posted 26 November 2012 - 09:38 PM

Dick - I agree about the CWT certification. I'm really just interested in the information as well.I think your layout of subject matter looks perfect to start. Please keep me informed if you decide to go forward with it and how I can help...


Posted 26 November 2012 - 07:43 PM


Doing an online series does sound interesting. I would have to start really basic, however. They need to be short in duration. I am thinking 10 to 15 minutes or perhaps up to a half hour in length. Many would lose patience sitting in front of a computer watching for a full hour. If I lose my audience then what is the point.

I imagine it would go like this:
  • About water, in general.

  • Chemical and physical properties of water

  • Basic Water Chemistry

  • Industrial uses of water for cooling

  • Industrial uses of water for heating

  • Chemical Treatment of cooling water for scale

  • Chemical Treatment of cooling water for corrosion

  • Chemical Treatment of cooling water for biological fouling

  • Chemical Treatment of closed loops (perhaps break this into subsections as well)

  • Chemical Treatment of steam boilers for scale

  • Chemical treatment of steam boilers for corrosion

  • Chemical treatment of condensate

  • Chemical pretreatment

  • Water conservation in cooling towers

  • Automated chemical feed and bleed of cooling towers

  • Water and energy conservation in boilers.

  • Automated chemical feed and bleed of steam boilers

  • Understanding applying scaling indicators in cooling systems

  • Understanding and running mass balances in cooling towers

  • Understanding cavitation
That is probably just the first 20. I bet I could get into 20 more....such as corrosion coupons, interpretation of lab analysis, non-chemical devices, etc.The reason to start at the very beginning is to know what you have already covered in an earlier video/presentation.


Posted 25 November 2012 - 11:05 PM

If it bothers you, Patrick, I can go back and delete or edit one of those posts...unlike the AWT ListServ where nothing can be edited or removed.

I could probably come up with a syllabus for your review and then design some training around that. It still might take some time for me to develop that.

The CWT is a worthy goal....as a FIRST STEP, but I have to say that I am really not impressed with it. It is a marketing ploy designed to generate cash flow for AWT. There are some very sharp water treaters who got their CWT, hoping it would improve their credibility in the market place, no doubt.

Then there are a whole bunch of barely competent water treaters who somehow managed to know enough facts to pass the CWT test, but they really do not understand water treatment. These people are dangerous.

I simply declined to take the test, I am just not one who likes to play the game. I would rather pursue the knowledge than the "Certification". Getting a CWT obligates you to spend more money with AWT to maintain your "Certification".

This reminds me of one of my favorite quotations:

“Any fool can know. The point is to understand.”
---Albert Einstein

If all you know are a bunch of loose facts, but lack understanding of the subject matter, then it is hard to put those facts (mere snap shots, in my opinion), into context.


Posted 25 November 2012 - 07:59 PM

Ooops Dick, I didn't realize that my first posting actually posted so I created a duplicate on the training thing. Now, I would really just like to start from the beginning, basic stuff... COC, Mass Balance, etc.


Posted 25 November 2012 - 07:53 PM

Dick - Thank you for inviting me to this forum. It will be a great tool for all that use it. I am interested in training but not where I have to take time away from my day to day operations. I would be more interested in having someone like you conduct an structured online course that will help those like myself who don't have an CWT rating obtain one. I certainly would be willing to pay for it...


Posted 25 November 2012 - 05:52 PM

Patrick, I have not done any formal training in a very long time (other than for customers). It is a whole other order of magnitude to train water treaters since they need to know so much more than the customer. I last did this when I was a sales manager and when I was a Technical Director. It takes considerable effort to develop training materials from scratch. I'll give it some thought.

Did you have some specific topics you were interested in?


Posted 24 November 2012 - 11:26 PM

Dick, thank you allowing me to be a part of this forum. Would u ever consider conducting online training sessions VS classroom sessions. Time is money and making a trip to a classroom setting isn't something that we can easily do here. Of course I'm suggesting that we pay you for your time.


Posted 08 November 2012 - 12:26 PM

We decided to keep this up, not withstanding the recent actions of the ListServTaskForce@awt.org. We still think this is a good program.

Posted 27 March 2011 - 11:53 PM

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